{"id":1178,"date":"2003-05-09T05:38:32","date_gmt":"2003-05-09T19:38:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2003\/05\/09\/two-dave-winer-grumbles\/"},"modified":"2019-12-05T08:14:06","modified_gmt":"2019-12-05T16:14:06","slug":"two-dave-winer-grumbles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2003\/05\/09\/two-dave-winer-grumbles\/","title":{"rendered":"Two Dave Winer grumbles"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class='__iawmlf-post-loop-links' style='display:none;' data-iawmlf-post-links='[{&quot;id&quot;:9857,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/www.scripting.com&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20260310182807\\\/http:\\\/\\\/scripting.com\\\/&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-03-10 22:28:47&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-07 09:41:56&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-11 08:51:25&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-14 20:45:15&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206},{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-20 21:03:02&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-20 21:03:02&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:206},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:14697,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/scriptingnews.userland.com\\\/2003\\\/05\\\/09#When:4:33:46AM&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/essaysfromexodus.scripting.com\\\/2003\\\/05\\\/09&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;}]'><\/div>\n<p>I don&#8217;t have as many issues with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scripting.com\/\" title=\"Scripting News\">Dave Winer<\/a> as many other people seem to, but he does occasionally come up with something that I&#8217;m tempted to comment on. Today, I gave into the temptation&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Today, Dave is looking back at <a href=\"http:\/\/scriptingnews.userland.com\/2003\/05\/09#When:4:33:46AM\" title=\"On this day in 1999...\">announcing RSS<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n  &#8220;RSS is an XML-based format that represents what we in the Frontier community call a &#8216;weblog&#8217;&#8230;.&#8221; The funny thing is that it wasn&#8217;t grandiose. At that time all weblogs <em>were<\/em> done in Frontier.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not really. Frontier may well have been the first commercially available software built for creating and updating weblogs, but I was keeping my weblog up in 1999 (and even prior to that, I think I started using my site to keep my family updated on my life sometime in &#8217;98), using the &#8216;old fashioned&#8217; method of manually updating my website. I just didn&#8217;t know it was a weblog back then.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, at some point during my many site redesigns\/updates, I was a fool and trashed all the old static HTML pages of my site from before I started using software to automate my site updates, but I can at least point to my first post using software to automate the process, and the post where I <a href=\"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2001\/02\/of_blogs_site_c.html\" title=\"Of blogs, site content, and something funny\">realized I was a &#8216;blogger&#8217;<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So Frontier may have been the first software for weblogs, but weblogs themselves were around pre-99. We just didn&#8217;t necessarily know that they were &#8220;weblogs&#8221;! ;)<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, something I&#8217;ve whined about <a href=\"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2003\/02\/weather_wierdne.html\" title=\"Weather wierdness\">in the past<\/a>: Dave&#8217;s RSS feed drives me up the wall.<\/p>\n<p>Every other RSS feed I subscribe to links each post to its corresponding post on the source website, so when I find something interesting in my newsreader and click on it, I&#8217;m taken to the website. Dave&#8217;s feed, unfortunately, doesn&#8217;t. It seems to have one of three possibilities:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>The newsfeed post will link back to the post on Dave&#8217;s website. The preferred behaviour, but unfortunately rare.<\/li>\n<li>The newsfeed post will link to whatever the first link in Dave&#8217;s post is. For instance, if Dave is commenting on a post on someone else&#8217;s site, when I open his post in my newsreader to follow up on it, I&#8217;m taken to the link that he&#8217;s commenting on, rather than his comments. Incredibly annoying.<\/li>\n<li>The newsfeed post won&#8217;t link to anything at all. This seems to be the least common of the occurrences, but common enough that I run into it from time to time.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Seems to me that since Dave is such an RSS evangelist, and one of the co-creators of the format, he could at least create an RSS feed that doesn&#8217;t make his readers want to thwack him upside the head every time they try to follow up on something he says!<\/p>\n<p>But maybe that&#8217;s just me.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I don&#8217;t have as many issues with Dave Winer as many other people seem to, but he does occasionally come up with something that I&#8217;m tempted to comment on. 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