{"id":53175,"date":"2026-10-13T12:00:35","date_gmt":"2026-10-13T19:00:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/?p=53175"},"modified":"2026-10-14T10:11:58","modified_gmt":"2026-10-14T17:11:58","slug":"done-with-daring-fireball","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2026\/10\/13\/done-with-daring-fireball\/","title":{"rendered":"Done with Daring Fireball"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I can&#8217;t really imagine he&#8217;ll care, but after literal decades of reading John Gruber&#8217;s <cite>Daring Fireball<\/cite> (I even had two different DF t-shirts back from when I thought he was worth supporting monetarily), the time has come to unsubscribe. (By which I mean, I&#8217;m dropping him from my RSS reader. He wasn&#8217;t getting money from me.)<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d been on the fence for a while, thanks to his occasional casual ableism (<a href=\"https:\/\/tenforward.social\/@djwudi\/113901606657803814\">called out here<\/a>, and then <a href=\"https:\/\/tenforward.social\/@djwudi\/114099706367775297\">again here<\/a>). But it was his recent <a href=\"https:\/\/daringfireball.net\/2026\/10\/x_once_again_marks_the_spot\">&#8220;actually, hanging out in a nazi bar (X) is fine, actually&#8221; post<\/a> and subsequent &#8220;but if I had principles, I wouldn&#8217;t have any entertainment&#8221; whining (<a href=\"https:\/\/tenforward.social\/@gruber@mastodon.social\/117425145189762560\">&#8220;The Ellisons aren\u2019t much better than Musk. Should I stop watching Warner Bros and Paramount movies, HBO, CBS, and CNN?&#8221;<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/tenforward.social\/@gruber@mastodon.social\/117425111000208293\">&#8220;The principled man has nothing to watch.&#8221;<\/a>) that finally pushed me over the edge.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m often disappointed that so many high-profile people and businesses, including many of those that Gruber cites as reasons to be on X, are still (or again) posting there. But if someone I liked in the real world decided they wanted to go hang out with a crowd that I found morally, ethically, politically, and in many other ways reprehensible, that&#8217;d be their bad decision, and not only would I not join them, but I wouldn&#8217;t see much reason to hang out with them, either. It&#8217;s easy enough to do that in the virtual world, too.<\/p>\n<p>There are plenty of other people to read and sources of Apple and wider tech commentary and opinion.<\/p>\n<p>Kudos to the many people who have been pushing back against Gruber&#8217;s post, including higher profile names more likely to influence Gruber&#8217;s thinking (maybe, hopefully, but I&#8217;m not optimistic about it) than I am, like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.anildash.com\">Anil Dash<\/a> over on Bluesky (<a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/anildash.com\/post\/3mxnhsl4o2k2i\">first thread<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/anildash.com\/post\/3mxpkdwd4zk2z\">second thread<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/anildash.com\/post\/3mxqiumenkk2a\">third thread<\/a>), <a href=\"https:\/\/lexontech.org\/x-is-bad-though\">Lex Friedman on his blog<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/lexontech.org\/a-few-more-thoughts-on-why-embracing-x-is-wrong\">with a followup<\/a>, and a few others I saw pass through my reading but can&#8217;t remember exactly who and where at this moment.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been off X\/Twitter for almost exactly four years now, <a href=\"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/twitter\/\">since November 20, 2022<\/a>, and I haven&#8217;t missed it. It&#8217;s really not difficult to <em>not<\/em> hang out with racists, nazis, and pedophiles. At least, it isn&#8217;t for me. I wish it were that easy for more people.<\/p>\n<p>Updates:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Gavin Anderegg, <a href=\"https:\/\/anderegg.ca\/2026\/10\/13\/john-gruber-on-x\">John Gruber on X<\/a>: &#8220;I\u2019m not angry, John, I\u2019m just so very tired.&#8221; (This led me to the following two.)<\/li>\n<li>Ernie Smith, <a href=\"https:\/\/tedium.co\/2026\/10\/12\/x-social-media-monoliths-critique\/\">The X is Off-Target<\/a>: &#8220;&#8230;X is not a welcoming place anymore and in fact comes with more brand harms than brand goods.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Dan Sinker, <a href=\"https:\/\/dansinker.com\/posts\/2026-10-12-open-letter\/\">An Open Letter To The People Writing Lengthy Posts About &#8216;Why I&#8217;m Going Back to Twitter&#8217;<\/a>: &#8220;What the fuck are you doing?&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Watts Martin, <a href=\"https:\/\/coyotetracks.org\/blog\/prior-assumptions\/\">Checking Prior Assumptions<\/a>: &#8220;Prior assumptions checked. You know what? I\u2019m feeling pretty good about them.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Warner Crocker, <a href=\"https:\/\/warnercrocker.com\/2026\/10\/12\/john-gruber-thinks-ive-lost-my-mind\/\">John Gruber Thinks I\u2019ve Lost My Mind<\/a>: &#8220;\u2026whether you pay for X or just lurk and scroll, you\u2019re giving Musk money to do what he does.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/iosdev.space\/@cdf1982\/117430077075960378\">Cesare Forelli<\/a>: &#8220;Picking the week in which the owner of Twitter spent 276 millions to help Republicans \u2013 just days after the US president abandoned Ukraine to lend a saving hand to Putin \u2013 to write some sort of love letter for Twitter is definitely a choice.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/iosdev.space\/@lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social\/117424952067773185\">Jeff Johnson<\/a>: &#8220;Gruber&#8217;s post, mere weeks before the midterms, with democracy itself under threat from Trump, doesn&#8217;t even mention the moral dilemma of supporting the political propaganda machine of the man who paid $250 million to elect Trump, took a chainsaw to our government, and continues to be the biggest right-wing funder in history.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Karl Bode, <a href=\"https:\/\/karlbode.com\/casey-newton-and-john-gruber-slink-back-to-elon-musks-right-wing-propaganda-machine\/\">Casey Newton And John Gruber Slink Back To Elon Musk\u2019s Right-Wing Propaganda Machine<\/a>: &#8220;Tech journalism mainstays are feebly rationalizing their return to a broken, billionaire-run right-wing propaganda website.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Tim Bray, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tbray.org\/ongoing\/When\/202x\/2026\/10\/13\/True-Things-About-X\">I Wasted an Hour on X<\/a>: &#8220;I dunno, I just spent an hour there and I find myself totally gloomed out.&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If someone I liked in the real world decided they wanted to go hang out with a crowd that I found morally, ethically, politically, and in many other ways reprehensible, that&#8217;d be their bad decision, and not only would I not join them, but I wouldn&#8217;t see much reason to hang out with them, either. It&#8217;s easy enough to do that in the virtual world, too.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[2038],"tags":[7062,5983,6707],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53175"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53175"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53175\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53175"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53175"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53175"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}