{"id":9498,"date":"2014-12-11T11:17:55","date_gmt":"2014-12-11T19:17:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/?p=9498"},"modified":"2019-12-23T16:15:23","modified_gmt":"2019-12-24T00:15:23","slug":"im-concerned-about-i-1351s-effects-on-higher-education","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/2014\/12\/11\/im-concerned-about-i-1351s-effects-on-higher-education\/","title":{"rendered":"I&#8217;m Concerned About I-1351&#8217;s Effects on Higher Education"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class='__iawmlf-post-loop-links' style='display:none;' data-iawmlf-post-links='[{&quot;id&quot;:2830,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/seattletimes.com\\\/html\\\/localnews\\\/2013329508_elextaxinits03m.html&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/seattletimes.com\\\/html\\\/localnews\\\/2013329508_elextaxinits03m.html&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:2831,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/q13fox.com\\\/2014\\\/11\\\/11\\\/now-comes-the-hard-part-for-initiative-1351-implementation&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/www.q13fox.com\\\/2014\\\/11\\\/11\\\/now-comes-the-hard-part-for-initiative-1351-implementation&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:null,&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;},{&quot;id&quot;:2832,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;http:\\\/\\\/fivethirtyeight.com\\\/features\\\/should-states-spend-billions-to-reduce-class-sizes&quot;,&quot;archived_href&quot;:&quot;https:\\\/\\\/web-wp.archive.org\\\/web\\\/20250715071925\\\/https:\\\/\\\/fivethirtyeight.com\\\/features\\\/should-states-spend-billions-to-reduce-class-sizes\\\/&quot;,&quot;redirect_href&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;checks&quot;:[{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-03-05 18:45:19&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200}],&quot;broken&quot;:false,&quot;last_checked&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-03-05 18:45:19&quot;,&quot;http_code&quot;:200},&quot;process&quot;:&quot;done&quot;}]'><\/div>\n<p>Filed under &#8220;yes, even I can have unpopular opinions&#8221;: I&#8217;m <em>very<\/em> concerned about where the money to fund I-1351&#8217;s directives is going to come from. We live in a state where voters refuse to put money into the system (we couldn&#8217;t even pass a <a href=\"http:\/\/seattletimes.com\/html\/localnews\/2013329508_elextaxinits03m.html\" title=\"Seattle Times: Voters reject state income tax, candy-soda tax\">minuscule sales tax on candy bars and soda<\/a> to fund various services), but demand that the system provide services that cost money. This is going to cost <em>billions<\/em> in hiring teachers, constructing classrooms, and lots of other associated costs, and <a href=\"http:\/\/q13fox.com\/2014\/11\/11\/now-comes-the-hard-part-for-initiative-1351-implementation\/\" title=\"Q13Fox: Now comes the hard part on I-1351: How is state going to pay to reduce class sizes, hire more teachers?\">we have no idea where that money is going to come from<\/a> (but we&#8217;re by-golly determined not to pay for it ourselves!).<\/p>\n<p>And <a href=\"http:\/\/fivethirtyeight.com\/features\/should-states-spend-billions-to-reduce-class-sizes\/\" title=\"FiveThirtyEight: Should States Spend Billions To Reduce Class Sizes?\">according to this article<\/a> (by fivethirtyeight, which started as a political statistical analysis site and has branched out into applying statistical analyses to all sorts of other things), it&#8217;s really not even clear that smaller class sizes will make that much of a difference compared to other possible expenditures such as hiring\/training better teachers, giving raises, or putting money into new\/better texts, supplies, and technology.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n  Class-size reductions make sense intuitively \u2014 in smaller classes, kids get more attention, distractions are reduced and working conditions are improved. Many economists and education policy experts say, though, that this isn\u2019t a case where the common-sense fix is guaranteed to be the best fix. Many of the studies on class size are inconclusive, and even those who support cutting class size in theory are dubious about whether I-1351 is the best or most cost-effective way to improve public education in Washington.<\/p>\n<p>  [&#8230;] Attempts to implement large-scale class-reduction policies have yielded less encouraging results. In 2002, Florida voters approved a ballot initiative like I-1351 that amended the state constitution to include caps on class sizes in all grades. An analysis of data from Florida conducted by Matt Chingos, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution\u2019s Center for Education Policy found no differences between students who were new to a small classroom and those who had already been in one.<\/p>\n<p>  [&#8230;] \u201cReducing class size is one of the most expensive things you can do in education,\u201d Chingos said. \u201cEven if it does have a substantial positive effect, it still might not be the best use of limited resources.\u201d He said that in some cases, raising teacher salaries could be a more effective use of funds. \u201cReally the lesson is that you want to build in flexibility,\u201d he said. \u201cDifferent school districts have different needs. It\u2019s very far from one-size-fits-all.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>  Eric Hanushek, an economist at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said that I-1351 could have the unintended effect of reducing teacher quality. \u201cThis isn\u2019t about hiring high-quality teachers, it\u2019s about hiring more teachers, and that means we\u2019re going to see a lot more inexperienced teachers in the classroom,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>  Some education advocates in Washington state are concerned that the class-size mandate will siphon funds from other policies. [&#8230;] Practically speaking, the state government has only so much money to spend. I-1351\u2019s biggest flaw might be its failure to acknowledge this reality.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>At this point, I (and many other people I talk to in higher education) are very worried that without a funding source, the state is going to end up pulling even more money out of the already hard-hit higher education system, damaging it further in the name of improving the K-12 education system.<\/p>\n<p>Everyone agrees that better education &#8212; <em>across the board<\/em> &#8212; is important. But, jeez. It&#8217;s not magic. There needs to be a way to pay for it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Filed under &#8216;yes, even I can have unpopular opinions&#8217;: I&#8217;m _very_ concerned about where the money to fund I-1351&#8217;s directives is going to come from. We live in a state where voters refuse to put money into the system, and it&#8217;s really not even clear that smaller class sizes will make that much of a difference.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2042],"tags":[14],"class_list":["post-9498","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","tag-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9498","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9498"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9498\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9498"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9498"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/michaelhans.com\/eclecticism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9498"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}